I am not going to argue that point. To each their own i guess but I’m not sure why anyone wouldn’t chose a real sport like, boxing, rugby, judo instead of being really good at working out? And the idea of beating a time on lifts as complex as Olympic lifts is just irresponsible. CALORIES DO NOT EXIST THEMSELVES IN REALITY. Problem is that so many boxes apparently are not amazing. So was Lance Armstrong. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. And a butterfly pull-up is completely safe when performed correctly. My challenge to bodybuilders: Its time to man up. The goal of a workout shouldn’t be to hurt. Because it’s the mentality that all ‘boxes’ push for… I have yet seen a person doing crossfit doing lifts with proper form or weight proper for their abilities. I do box jumps and wall ball. if i want to smoke cigarettes and swim in a pool of bacon grease then it’s none of your damn business. People need to get off the grouping and label train. The entire college football community moved on and so should we. Would help for people if you mention what vid you are talking about. It is actually hard for me to believe that you would call yourself a professional in any faction of the fitness industry after having read this article. The rest is pure childish aguments. Erin Simmons has a Master of Science in Biology. Your all legends you all train hard. If done properly it is a great foundation for any type of athlete. While I am benching or lifting heavy weights, I will undoubtedly; almost as if its like clockwork have a dude or dudette come over to me while I am resting between sets and say: “Oh, your benching 175lbs for 12-14 reps? Fitness is fitness. Bodybuilding is about tearing down and rebuilding muscle tissue. I am able to sweat a bucket load through body building, lift weights with intensity, do high and low reps weight lifting and do cardio in 10-15 mins and feel exhausted. One week one could do 20-30 minutes of cardio for 2-3 days, the next 4 days, not to mention the weekend bootcamps that I would do. Bodybuilding is about building muscle, that requires a lower intensity and higher weights. CrossFit was just starting up and military guys were loving it. Most people with more years behind them easily see 2 times their weight as warming up or use that weight in their rest/deload weeks. but then again their goal is to build as much muscle as possible. And kipping is definitely harmful to the shoulders and elbows no matter how it’s done. Exercise intensity is about high energy output in a short amount of time. I do both and yes I enjoy one more than the other but who cares? It’s why you see results when you do insanity or any of those workout videos. The point here is that subjecting your muscles to extremely high stress repetitively is not good. Cross fit is a dangers way of getting fit you could get just as fit and strong doing sensible forms of training cross fit is could for short term fitness because your body can only take a very limited amount of this type of training. Are we in middle school people? Regardless of the current trend, bodybuilders don’t want to drink the kool-aid. Total knee replacements, drugs shot into every joint I have. Do you want to be a competitor or do you want to just have functional fitness? Brad Chase is one of the top fitness experts and highly educated. It just means you have high endurance nothing more nothing less. Energy is NOT something tangible NOR i tangible. Like never before. I’ve been doing crossfit since 2012. I do have some criticisms about the competency of some coaches but there are good and bad coaches in every sport. Definitely not a fad, because many of us can’t stand the thought of working out a Globogym with a bunch of punks who know nothing about fitness. In reality while the diversity is high, The scope of the training is narrowed only to crossfit athletes. It leaves you vulnerable to injuries. What injuries you can sustain from doing either? If they can correct their programming and clean up their form a little bit, it can be a lot safer and better for you. I have good things to say about crossfit and bad things. For the majority of us the young 20’s and/or elite athlete ship has sailed many years ago, and we should focus on actually gaining knowledge and what workouts truly are best for our specific body. It’s amazing how comical it is to me now. As a physique competitor and a classic physique hopeful, I can tell you that at no point in my workouts is the intensity lower than everything I’ve got. I suggest to start eating clean, increase protein, drink a ton of water every day so that you are peeing constantly, and very basic minimal strength training to see how your body responds before incorporating cardio. People need to assess their goals and research the box/gym, and coach/trainer where they want to go. I think cross fit is cool and I actually respect the amazing amount of intensity involved in it. Oh sorry patting each other on their glutes. “Olympic Lifts are not meant to be done with high reps”, That’s very true.. The goal of bodybuilding goes a different direction (from what I understand). He never got caught! I’m just dissing his mental capacities, not his fysical ones. How does that happen?!?! A baseball pitcher that can thrown a 95mph hour fastball is an athlete and is paid $$$ because not a lot f people can do it… But what crossfit has done has changed the “game” and said, well we can’t throw a 95mph fast ball, but what we are going to try to do is throw it 45mph at half the distance… And just to cover up and distort the fact that we can’t throw a 95mph fastball… We’re just going to throw it as many times as we can in a minute…. although it can be expensive that is true. I was like wtf is going on in here, then the “class” started, I realize why there was so many injuries. Great job on the accomplishments by the way and I hope you stay injury free and continue to look awesome. bodybuilders arent athletes. I don’t care what it is, if you like it and you’re keeping to it to stay healthy, then good for you! Be a man and do a real pull up….crossfit is too “let’s see how many times we can do this motion unsafely and call it a competition.” I gotta hand it to crossfit though into making it a social cult workout that just about everyone can do for all those people who can’t push and motivate themselves…. Hence the reason so many of them cheat and do gimmicky workouts that look cool but are pointless. Pain is not gain for them. With all of that said, one has to wonder why people still do CrossFit. Once people had a definition, a competition was born. Let’s just disregard high school, and jump right to collegiate athletics. Don’t forget about the experience. Hard work is hard work. I’ve been in the fitness industry for 20 yrs. Both crossfit and bodybuilders suck. Circuit training and crossfit are very similar, non stop and high repetitions. You look absolutely REDICULOUS! YOU, LYLE , ANTHONY COLPO,- YOU ARE ALL PHYSICS ILLITERATE CHARLATANS SELLING BOOKS. What exactly did he say that makes him a douchebag? However the rest of them are vain self absorbed preteen girls. If there is a natural range of motion to any movement we like to complete it. There is no reason to do CF unless you want to watch half naked girls lift…hmm… I been in both sides and i got to tell that both are very intense in a different way .. a bodybuilder at muscle. It is also a better product than olympic lifting. Not to see who could get the best times IN the box. But, CrossFit upholds very strict standards. So I’m going to share that opinion with you. “Women with broad shoulders.. who want that?” That put you in the same category with provincial anti-LGBT redneck. I could care less how you “label” yourself or how intense you train. Well the reason why this article doesn’t make sense to me is that it has a warped meaning of ‘intensity’. Crossfit is better than bodybuilding for improving our capacity to do functional work. Not a single one of them has ever given me workouts that look like CrossFit WODs. Forces are not tangibke but EXIST in the uni erse.UNLIKE FORCE, Energy is a CONCEPT, NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS EXISTENCE ITSELF IN THE UNIVERSE……, You and Lyle McCockle would get your dumb asses LAUGHED OFF A PHYSICIST’S BLOG. Coaching makes all the difference. CrossFit can make you extremely sore and under the right circumstances, it can lead to Rhabdo, a very serious condition that requires immediate medical attention. Crossfit and bodybuilding are two completely different animals. NONE ARE ENERGY ITSELF. It makes sense universities have not picked it up, because you need sport specific training to be successful in athletics. The more people that try it will get hooked. I think that people should stop pointing out flaws with other training. This is why people hate crossfit, because people like you try to say it’s better than other sports. IT HAS TAKEN SOME WORK BUT I WAS ABLE TO BE AS STUPID AS YOU WITH MY RESPONSE. Another vanity driven bullshit hobby. Those same strength coaches will tell you CrossFit is not all that great – I have talked to several. I am sure there are people in CrossFit who use steroids. CrossFit will give you what you need if you are patient. The same is true of the top CrossFit guys. However, I had no idea that there was so much animosity with cross fitters. Most of the women figure models (bikini models are just a totally useless classification) I see in the gym work out like crazy and put all the men to shame. I’ve done plenty of strength training for my sport before that, too. No one was succeeding. A bodybuilder when preparing for a show is utterly and truly devoted to the relentless pursuit of acquiring a better physique through precise nutrition, drugs,training and mindset. I know that a lot of people won’t like it, and CrossFitters may react quite negatively, but the goal is not to simply go along with what is popular or to avoid tough subjects so that people won’t “unfollow” me. GO Rich Froning!! These ‘coaches’ are going to get people seriously hurt. I reminded her that her gymnastic body was more muscular than her current body and she looked great as a gymnast. She has worked for the Department of Defense as a contractor in a physiology laboratory, and she is currently working on her Ph.D. in Fisheries at Texas A&M. if a coach is pushing me to do something I’m uncomfortable with, I don’t. No, they DO NOT exist, you science illiterate fitness industry stooge. I should have known better that the thruster combination of cleans and push press shouldn’t be done for speed/time, but I did it anyway. Any physicist will TELL YOU: “Energy is NOT itself ANYTHING.C DIRECT QUOTE, YOU LOSER. I have approximately 200 hours, 3 exams, and a case study still to do. People are getting injured doing 115lb snatches! Sure , you may be tired after a Crossfit session; but being tired and being intense are two very different things. The strength and conditioning coaches that I have worked with as an athlete all have master’s or doctorate degrees in kinesiology or a related field. do not subscribe to CrossFit, and why strength and conditioning professionals don't necessarily prescribe its methodology to their athletes, aside from the negative stigma of CrossFit in the NSCA or other professional fitness organizations (ACSM, NASM, etc. Finally, Livestrong’s Brooke Ross addresses Rhabdo and injury risk. Then the timer started. Shit the level to which the elites are fighting injuries is insane. This is sooo true! You wouldn’t say a pro football player was in better shape than a pro soccer player. CF was awesome in the sense that it has created a lot of amateur weight lifters that are doing their research, and questioning the machine. I think cross fit and bodybuilding are both impressive in there own way. No big deal, I’d been sore before. I have more apprehensions against bodybuiding than crossfit because bodybuilding glorifies a shallow physical appearance which eventually has many of these men mentally disturbed to the point of damaging their health greatly for something that isn’t worth the time wasting your life to. One class/online…..you have no idea what you are talking about! Also please visit my site at http://Funny-Workout-Shirts.com. I dont think everybody has the same perspectives and lots of pple still think those bodies look hot but just saying compared with bodybuilding, this is wayyy more inferior since crossfit ‘s main purpose is NOT about sculping body. yes they put in a lot of hard work to look the way they do but they cant do athletic things such as running, so it cant become a actual sport. a yoga master at flexibility 10.you don’t need to spend hundreds of dollars a month if look around for cheaper boxes. Just choose a goal and start attacking it. Crossfit has proven you can be reasonably decent at all of them i think its nice to have that option. There is a sort of “brainwashing” that occurs from the first time a person steps into a box (CrossFit speak for “gym”) that creates an “us vs. them” mentality. Flip side, bring a CF-er in to do my workout using the form that BB’s use, I guarantee it will kick their ass! I am not even close to a bodybuilder nor do I side with CrossFit. They seem more concerned with showing off than improving. 10+ Crossfit Games athletes have over 1 million followers on Instagram alone as well as many other Games athletes have in the high 6 figures. So work is hard because you are moving very heavy weights, so work is hard because you are in deep lactic acid from doing a high rate of work some work is hard because of the high skill component. 0 Shares Share on Facebook Share on Twitter CrossFit has popularity going for it. They need an intervention to get out of the sect. But one of my friends later invited me to the gym where she taught and I jumped in on a WOD. If you have a certain level of fitness in crossfit, its a good indicator of your actual health. Thank you Brad Chase. Increased heart rate decreases the time available to fill the left ventricle of the heart, which means that the left ventricle will contain and eject less blood per contraction. But if you get a free gym you can make it pretty intense . This is simply not true and every single thing that I’ve posted in this article refers to every single gym that follow CrossFit. That’s the norm. I played college football and thought I knew it all when it came to lifting, and I needed to humble myself and study to find out how I could truly meet my needs now that I am 35; what kind of training does my body truly respond to the best and my joints and ligaments stay healthy in the process? But do you think that bodybuilders go on Google Trends or Alexa to see how Crossfit views are progressing compared to bodybuilding? Heck bodybuilders could actually gain some respect among Crossfit compettitors by teaching them methods to build muscle. “I am a catholic, a husband, a dad, and a CrossFit athlete. In another form, Grace can be more intense. BOTH are PROPERTIES, CONCEPTS, ABSTRACTIONS , you laughably science illiterate Internet idiot. The workouts are scaled (weaker athletes modify the movements, or do them with less weight). From having worked with athletes in so many sports and doing plenty of different sports myself I can say that anybody who works hard (which to me means doing as much as you can to improve at the fastest possible rate in your sport/activity of choice) deserves respect. There is no comparison. Thanks for reading this and thanks for your article I appreacciate the time and effort you put into it. 3.crossfit is a sport as the definition of a sport is “an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. I went once..I think we did “Helen”.there were 13 dudes in the class. This article is a joke and incredibly ignorant. A good trainer is better than a bad crossfit coach. I agree that both can be good. Pain could mean injury, and injury means being unable to compete. Take a little sip of the kool-aid before you pour yourself a glass. CrossFit is advertised as “the sport of fitness.” With constantly varied, high-intensity functional movements, CrossFit is a training philosophy that coaches people of all shapes and sizes to improve their physical well-being and cardiovascular fitness in a … I totally agree Walt. Just do what you do the best you can and meet your goals. Multiple Crossfit Games athletes have been featured on high authority worldwide media publications … Unfortunately, many people have the experience you have due to coaching that could be improved. Bodybuilding will never be an Olympic event, here’s why: If you were to look at the TV ratings for Olympic events, the top-rated events are the most intense: soccer, swimming, track and field (especially the 100-meter sprint, aka. Yep keep telling yourself that dude…now pick up some weights and actually get a good workout! THE LAY PUBLIC NEEDS TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES AGAINST PEOPLE LIKE BEN CARPENTER, LYKE AND COLPO……. But everyone gives 100% effort. To me, intensity extends far beyond your physical workout, it’s a way of life which is 24 x 7. Also, CrossFit coaches are able to get certified in a weekend. It was a great community but you can find that at the gym, church, or the bar. lol yes it hurt. People see results because it’s a very high stress workout. I agree with you that Crossfit being popular might be part of the reason why it’s hated on. Like I said there are good and bad things…I just prefer being injury free and looking awesome. It is your choice and not the choice of your coach, be responsible. A bit like the bodybuilding vs powerlifting, where powerlifters take more rest and highter weight. Nothing against crossfit but i have something against these people who constantly demean everything except crossfit.. no reason to tell someone who is doing something different to MAN UP…. Take it for what it’s worth, but please believe that your box is not different, no matter what your coach says.]. Is CrossFit using copyright to censor its critics. And that’s when I started to worry. However, just like everything else, it must be done correctly to achieve the above description. So these extremely competitive energetic people are drawn to CrossFit as it is very competitive and challenging, and it is what it is. I was the only newbie…I finished second and never went back. I hear BB gyms being referenced as “meathead station” sometimes, and now I see why. Did you hear that the University of Iowa football team once got Rhabdo? Free weights did not prevent frequent back pain despite stabilization excercises (4-5 x a week). When your bread and butter is randomized intensity, performed at near max or to exhaustion, you can’t just simply push beyond exhaustion to the next level. By that standard you pretty much say that those who use lower reps and longer rest are scared of hard work. please people stop teasing each other both are great sports… people will choose the sport that they like,,, please people both got the same porpuse live a healthy life….. by the way i decided to go back to the Gym i didn’t like the way my body was changing but I like to see crossfit competitions. Just like the example above, Rhabdo is always a risk when you are performing low to medium weights at high repetition and also at high intensity. This article was originally featured on the author’s blog and reposted with permission. It happens in all levels of athletics and I think we would be naïve to say it doesn't happen in CrossFit. Maybe for a season, maybe for life. They have interned as graduate assistants for years. For the unfit or formerly fit, this works great initially. There are certain areas they are especially weak but that’s only because they haven’t trained for specific movements and usually just lack the mobility or flexibility. I love bodybuilding!! No one in CF is talking about it because the money train is chugging! Check out this video to learn about the mechanics of butterfly pull-ups and the correct (and incorrect) way to perform them. BTW Crossfit drug tests are so far from being intense or thorough and definitely not random. They have attended and presented at conferences, taken numerous certification exams, and have had to pass demonstration practicals in order to work with athletes in the weight room or on/in the field, track, court, or pool. They thought I was the hulk. What an odd list of sports. No one beats a runner at endurance, People are paying more for a CrossFit gym than a regular one. WOD on friends! What’s your proof. They do very well. You also doing bodybuilding wrong if it is as intensive as a crossfit training is. The second article addresses CrossFit’s claims that it enables people to become better endurance athletes. Doing something really shitty and fast does not make it intense. My buddy who does crossfit alot just showed me this. Walking around in the gym, pumping up their muscles, totally in love with themselves doing their stupid 40 sets hitting the muscle with 5 different exercises. Waow 1. pullups are going to be needed to be done in reputition so crossfitters resort to kipping pullups, ill place my bets that if a body builder was to do a kipping pullup they would run out of breathe after the 2nd or 3rd pullup. While I did CrossFit for the better part of two years, I don’t do it anymore. I thought this was going to be an unbiased comparison but it ended up being a Crossfit cock stroking session. Yeh, I mostly agree with you, depends on the movie though. It also addresses the “don’t quit” mentality of CrossFit, which is a dangerous one to have in athletics. Lyle McDonald is a SALESMAN WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND PHYSICS……. When I played football, baseball and soccer in school we would train for those sports by working out. WebMD further recognizes the risks and problems of CrossFit: Be aware that the CrossFit coach may not have an appropriate educational background in sports conditioning. Lifting weights does not make one athletic no matter the kind of work out. Are you high? The workout was going to have deadlifts, which I had never done; to this day, I still don’t do them (but that’s another post altogether on risk: reward ratios). It will always be healthier to do a difficult exercises, 8-14 times, rest and repeat. Felt a bit dissapointed until the second coach came to me and said “Don,t you worry – this technique and proper form will be with you forever. I have an amazing box, amazing friends, and amazing fitness. Having your heart rate max out for a few minutes while doing grace is the intensity that will challenge your fitness and your mind. Professional and Olympic athletes would never use CrossFit for training. And not a single one of them recommends CrossFit. THERE IS NO SUCH THING WHATSOEVER AS AN ESS3NC3 OF ENERGY OR OURE ENERGY. I’ve taught “high intensive classes” for years w/out ANY injuries. Well, I’m a natural bodybuilder who’s competed all across america in amateur shows in the SNBF and NANBF and I’m an ACE certified personal trainer and I don’t hate cross fit at all. Science of Running has posted a couple of great articles that show why CrossFit’s workouts and claims are invalid. Lazy too? Combine sprints/cardio with proper lifting and clean diet and that will get you where you want to be: fit and healthy! Every coach I’ve trained under has done one of two things: given a workout with heavy weight for low reps, or given a workout with lighter weight for higher reps. The hate for one another probably stems from some sort of ignorance and/or bias and the unwillingness to be open minded. Especially since you mention lower reps and longer rest as your gauge for intensity. And I will say that Crossfit athletes are the ones I enjoy working with the most. Read that again, you laughably science illiterate Internet commenter….. I”ENERGY” DOES NOT EXIST ITSELF. And the data in cross fit is bull in showing true fitness as your technique makes a big difference so you could have some one with much better fitness with poor technique. Bring it on you cocksucker. But thats just my 2 cents i could totally be wrong and just not understand the intracacies of crossfit. I seriously doubt people that don’t know about the difference in volume/intensity/rest/etc between crossfit, powerlifting, bodybuilding, etc. Their intention isn’t bad, just a bit to much enthousiasm and to little consideration for other choices/facts. I couldn’t agree more. 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